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Mystery

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:47 pm
by Tampico
I'm planning a trip to ISRO on my boat this August. I was using Google Earth to scout out some anchorages. Google has acquired some more recent imagery (May 2009) since the last time I took a look at the island and I noticed something interesting.

If you look at the following sites, you might notice it too.

Rock Harbor
Daisy Farm
Moskey Basin
Chippewa Harbor
Wright Island
Siskiwit
Belle Isle

I've been to many of these places and did not notice anything while on the ground.

Did you find it?

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:49 am
by Tom
If you're referring to the alien landing sites, we're not supposed to talk about those... :P

...Perhaps you could give us a small hint?

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:19 am
by DonNewcomb
He's talking about the nude sunbathers. Those are really high resolution air photos! :shock:

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:23 am
by Tampico
Hint.
I've been to many of these places and did not notice anything white on the ground.

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:02 am
by MikeW
Buried treasure. Windigo too.

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:10 am
by DonNewcomb
Tom wrote:...Perhaps you could give us a small hint?
I think it's the air-photo targets. I'm going to check on the USGS site and see if the orthophotos are available for download.

Here's http://www.blm.gov/or/gis/geoscience/aerial_faq.php some information from BLM. Scroll down to "Control Panels".

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:44 am
by Tampico
I missed the Windigo one. Thanks for the link/info Don.

I was sort-of hoping for some kind of gubment conspiracy... :)

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:47 pm
by Midwest Ed
These are the Control Panels at Daisy Farm, Rock Harbor and Belle Isle:

They are reflective targets that are manually placed to highlight either permanent USGS or temporary survey markers, in order to calibrate the location of the photos.

Daisy Farm

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Rock Harbor
Image

Belle Isle
Image

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:11 pm
by Pioneer Spirit
I saw one painted in the middle of a country road in Ohio several years ago.

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:36 pm
by fonixmunkee
I thought maybe they were part of the camera-taking apperatus to gauge or measure something within the photo itself, but it doesn't appear to be the case. If you scroll in and out of the sat images, the crosses resize larger or smaller.

Plus, it's ironic that they are all near a "developed" part of IR. Must of been put out by the NPS for something...surveying?

Re: Mystery

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:27 pm
by DonNewcomb
fonixmunkee wrote: Must of been put out by the NPS for something...surveying?
They are part of the process of photo interpretation. They are placed at known, surveyed, control points and allow the photogrammetrist to adjust the image to fit the spatial reference system. Once you have the known points "nailed down" you have a much better model of what is happening in between.

Re: Mystery

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:30 am
by Midwest Ed
The surveyed control "points" that Don describes actually look like this:

Image

This one has not yet been stamped with its serial number and other survey information. After stamping, the location and elevation are recorded by the USGS (US Geologic Survey). Permanent USGS markers can be used to calibrate the photograph as Don described or sometimes 2 temporary markers are installed by surveyors. For the temporary units they sometimes only need to install them with a known distance separating them. The bright white markers are simply like big arrows pointing at these small markers.

Re: Mystery

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:25 pm
by Tom
In this case, I'm certain they're temporary markers, given they're out in the open/field areas. I guess I presumed they're mostly for aligning the overlapping flight runs.
Here's one of the official markers, called "Falls" and is near Siskiwit Falls/Malone Bay.
IR_Marker.jpg
Placed back in 1938, it's now in the middle of the woods, essentially. If you look at a Topo map, for instance the Trails Illustrated map from National Geographic, you'll find this one on the map as a small triangle with the elevation of 663 just west of camp. My understanding is that they were the triangulation points.

Re: Mystery

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:38 am
by DonNewcomb
Tom wrote:In this case, I'm certain they're temporary markers,
In this day and age, you drive a pin in the ground and collect GPS data over it for an hour and you have as good a benchmark as if you were over a brass disk.