Park Service to allow guns

[johnhens]

The National Park Service will allow guns to be carried under specific guidelines in the Parks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06456.html

Isle Royale specific information on guns in the Park:

Firearms and other weapons

Legislation: As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws to legally possess firearms in this park. Refer to Section 512 of the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009, Public Law 111-24, 123 Stat. 1764-65

Park User Responsibility: It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearm laws before entering this park. As a starting point, please view the Michigan MCL Section 28.425b and visit the Michigan State Police website. Please note that Michigan does recognize other state's concealed weapons permits and licenses.

Weapons Prohibited in Federal Facilities: Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. Refer to 18 U.S.C. § 930 Possession of Firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities.

Weapons restrictions aboard Federal vessels and Concession vessels: Federal law also prohibits firearms aboard Federally owned vessels servicing this park and restricts firearms aboard concession vessels servicing this park; those vessels and boarding areas are marked with signs. Refer to 18 U.S.C. § 2277 Explosives and dangerous weapons aboard vessels.

[DonNewcomb]

In other words, if you have a Mich. CCW permit, you can carry. You just can't bring the gun to the park on 1) Ranger III or 2) any of the ferries. That leaves private boat and the float-plane (maybe). Not that I'd ever see any reason to have a gun on Isle Roayle. The law was passed mostly to prevent the hassle to people transiting through other parks.

[johnhens]

In other words, if you have a Mich. CCW permit, you can carry. You just can't bring the gun to the park on 1) Ranger III or 2) any of the ferries. That leaves private boat and the float-plane (maybe). Not that I'd ever see any reason to have a gun on Isle Roayle. The law was passed mostly to prevent the hassle to people transiting through other parks.

You cannot take a gun on any concession operated vessel. This includes the float plane. You may not bring a gun into any Park Service Building.

[Tom]

Hmmmm. Is one of the shelters technically a Park Service Building? It'll be fun to see the holsters hanging up outside along with the sweaty clothes..

Even though I'm an avid hunter, and am perfectly comfortable around firearms, I just don't ever see a need to 'pack heat' out on the Isle. Kinda funny, actually. I was in my backpacker frame of mind when I saw this - "Geesh - I'm trying to shave weight as it is. Do I really need another pound to two pounds of weight?!?"

Like DonNewcomb indicates - While the gun lovin' sect will champion this as the ability to protect oneself in parks, it's really more about the technicality of letting the Yellowstone drive-thru audience into the park without becoming felons..

Not to be political, but I would just wish that both sides of the aisle would quit sticking 'unrelated' items into bills, just to get theirs past. Everything should stand on it's own merits. In this case, Credit Card reform begat guns in parks...

[Capt Don]

There are no laws that prevent people from having guns on the concession boats of ours, provided they have been given permission by us in advance according to the CFR's. We have a strict policy of no guns aboard the boats period, no permission granted, if they are on board we can and will confiscate and keep them. So smugglers, gun carriers, etc. I would ask that if you are going to sneak a gun aboard the VII or Wenonah that it would be from makers like Weatherby, Perazzi, Blazer, Browning or any English double guns.

[Tom]

I would ask that if you are going to sneak a gun aboard the VII or Wenonah that it would be from makers like Weatherby, Perazzi, Blazer, Browning or any English double guns.

Me likey!

[Backpacker534]

Looks like Capt Don is a connoisseur of the finer firearms.

Here's a link to another article about the new law. It was posted in the Traverse City Record-Eagle (Michigan):
http://www.record-eagle.com/local/local ... 71221.html

[WingsFan19]

There are no laws that prevent people from having guns on the concession boats of ours, provided they have been given permission by us in advance according to the CFR's. We have a strict policy of no guns aboard the boats period, no permission granted, if they are on board we can and will confiscate and keep them. So smugglers, gun carriers, etc. I would ask that if you are going to sneak a gun aboard the VII or Wenonah that it would be from makers like Weatherby, Perazzi, Blazer, Browning or any English double guns.

Just a quick thought. If there are no firearms allowed on the boats and someone comes on board carrying concealed, who wins the disagreement?Lol. In all seriousness, I don't see anything wrong with carrying a weapon for personal protection but if the ferry's policy is no firearms allowed, then people have to abide by it. On the other hand, if someone were to carry a firearm on board unknowingly, the ferry's captain or other personel would not have the right to confiscate it. A person is only required to relinquish their firearm to law enforcement officer. That's not to say one won't be waiting for you at the dock.

[WingsFan19]

The National Park Service will allow guns to be carried under specific guidelines in the Parks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06456.html

Isle Royale specific information on guns in the Park:

Firearms and other weapons

Legislation: As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws to legally possess firearms in this park. Refer to Section 512 of the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009, Public Law 111-24, 123 Stat. 1764-65

Park User Responsibility: It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearm laws before entering this park. As a starting point, please view the Michigan MCL Section 28.425b and visit the Michigan State Police website. Please note that Michigan does recognize other state's concealed weapons permits and licenses.

Weapons Prohibited in Federal Facilities: Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. Refer to 18 U.S.C. § 930 Possession of Firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities.

Weapons restrictions aboard Federal vessels and Concession vessels: Federal law also prohibits firearms aboard Federally owned vessels servicing this park and restricts firearms aboard concession vessels servicing this park; those vessels and boarding areas are marked with signs. Refer to 18 U.S.C. § 2277 Explosives and dangerous weapons aboard vessels.

Michigan does have CPL reciprocity with approximately 38 other states. That is on the michigan.gov website.

[Capt Don]

My remarks about guns on the boats was somewhat tongue in cheek for those who don''t know me. And our policy pertains to passengers only, not crew, we are heavily armed at all times with everything from handguns to .50 BMGs and consider ourselves something like sky marshals, only on the water, oh wait...watching too many action/adventures again. Seriously though, we don't want guns on the boats, period, please, don't try it, there is really no need to speculate on the consequenses. I can assure you that you need no firearm for personal protection or whatever on the island, hell, if it weren't for federal regulations the law enforcement rangers would probably choose to leave theirs at home. One thing is for certain, if you do it and get caught, your trip will not be a pleasant one and people visit the park for fun, you won't be getting back to the mainland with us at all and the law on the shore will be notified and it is an extremely serious offense. You wouldn't bring a gun into the courtroom, airport etc. c and c or not, if it is that important to carry while on the island, it is really not the place for you. Now, lets move on to something of significance.

[fonixmunkee]

^^ I think Capt Don has summed it up nicely. NEXT SUBJECT.

[jerry]

Amen. Even when the wolves are near, I feel save from "our world."

[PatrickBDunlap]

I don't think that I would ever feel the need to pack heat to fight off any animal in the wilderness. On the other hand, if my daughters decided in college that they wanted to hike the AT, there are so many accesses to that trail from road crossings that I think I would slip them a small Glock 26 regardless of law. But that is just a fathers fear.

[Nick]

Gee,

Hikers, kayakers, canoers, and anyone taking a commercial vessel to the park=No Guns

Private boaters=Guns

Not that there is any history of private boaters and leave no tracers having any conflict.

Let's see, if we arm one side, who gets the good campsites? Looks like I'll have to dig the old Kevlar body armor out of storage. But at least the Old Second Chance will provide some insulation.

I guess I better go out and get a Kevlar kayak, too.

NB (note bene for you non-Latin types) I'm going for the Captain Don "tongue-in-cheek" award here.

[Tampico]

I'm going for the Captain Don "tongue-in-cheek" award here.

And you fail.